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Gypsio III
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Posted - 2012.02.29 23:29:00 -
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Orcirk wrote:Really wouldn't help tbh.
Also since I got sidetracked and forgot to mention this earlier:
The oracle could use a slight nerf(or the naga could use a slight buff). It ODs the naga out to nearly 200km IIRC which it just shouldn't be able to do, especially when you look at the difference in range vs damage of pulses and blasters (which are also skewed to make amarr come out on top)
Not sure how to get the 200 km figure. I've used the Naga quite a lot in WHs, as (at least when I EFTed it!) it had the most DPS at the edge of Drake HML range. And if there's one thing WHs aren't short of, it's Drakes...
Let's see... triple MFS Naga, dual TC:
761 DPS at 70/49 km
697 DPS at 88/49 km
634 DPS at 105/49 km
Triple HS Oracle, dual TE:
866 DPS at 47/41 km
794 DPS at 59/41 km
721 DPS at 71/41 km
649 DPS at 83/41 km
577 DPS at 94/41 km
505 DPS at 113/41 km
Yeah so it looks like the Naga has a DPS advantage beyond about 70 km (and a slight EHP one). At the cost of mobility, tracking, and less damage closer up. |
Gypsio III
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Posted - 2012.03.01 09:03:00 -
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Cambarus wrote:The 200km figure was based on the paper sniper setups PL have been fielding, though tbh it should have occurred to me that most people like to fit some sort of tank to their ships 
Well, the model fits I was using weren't exactly well-tanked either! I'll have to check KBs for the PL fits though, because I'm still seeing a DPS advantage at mid-range for the Naga, from 65-140 km. Maybe I'm underestimating PL pimp... 
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Gypsio III
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Posted - 2012.03.12 11:28:00 -
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Kingwood wrote:
The Naga is bad for small gang PvP because it has tank (which is useless), slow speed (which is bad), and low range (3 lowslots, heh).
Maybe there should be some sort of med-slot module that would increase optimal range? |
Gypsio III
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Posted - 2012.03.13 20:21:00 -
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Onictus wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:I too believe that the Talos is slow and must be at 3km to deal damage.
-Liang No, its faster than an oracle, but it doesn't have the power past 30km, and if it does its a shield "tank" which is laughable on the scale of a 3 SeBo Tornado. Its great under 5 people, but that is about it.
I think Liang is about to introduce you to Null. I haven't used a Null Talos, but ten seconds in EFT gives 16/29 km and just under 900 DPS. Does look a bit flimsy though.  |
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